by Calculated Risk on 4/28/2009 11:22:00 AM

The following graph shows the price declines from the peak for each city included in S&P/Case-Shiller indices.

In Phoenix, house prices have declined more than 50% from the peak. At the other end of the spectrum, prices in Charlotte and Dallas are off about 11% to 12% from the peak. Prices have declined by double digits everywhere.

Prices fell by 1% or more in most Case-Shiller cities in February, with Phoenix off 5.0% for the month alone.

And here is the price-to-rent ratio for a few cities ...

The second graph shows the price-to-rent ratio for Miami, Los Angeles and New York. This is similar to the national price-to-rent ratio, but uses local prices and local Owners' equivalent rent.

This ratio is getting close to normal for LA and Miami (Miami is back to the Jan 2000 ratio), but still has further to fall in NY.

Note: The Owners' Equivalent Rent (OER) is still increasing according to the BLS, however there are many reports of falling rents that isn't showing up yet in the OER.

by Calculated Risk on 4/28/2009 10:14:00 AM

For more on house prices, please see: Case-Shiller: Prices Fall Sharply in February

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The first graph compares the Case-Shiller Composite 10 index with the Stress Test scenarios from the Treasury (stress test data is estimated from quarterly forecasts).

The Stress Test scenarios use the Composite 10 index and start in December. Here are the numbers:

Case-Shiller Composite 10 Index, February: 154.70

Stress Test Baseline Scenario, February: 157.26

Stress Test More Adverse Scenario, February: 154.01

It has only been two months, but prices are tracking the More Adverse scenario so far.

But we have to remember the headline Case-Shiller is not seasonally adjusted, and there is a strong seasonal pattern. Update: there is a seasonally adjusted data set here.

This graph shows the month to month change (annualized) for the Case-Shiller Composite 10 index.

Prices usually decline at the fastest rate in the winter months (or increase the least with rising prices), and prices decline the slowest during the summer. Just something to remember when the month-to-month price declines slow this summer.

This is why we use the year-over-year (YoY) price change too (in previous post). The YoY change for the Composite 10 is -18.8%, the worst YoY change was last month (January 2009 at -19.4%). About the same.

I'll have some Case-Shiller city data soon.

by Calculated Risk on 4/28/2009 09:05:00 AM

S&P/Case-Shiller released their monthly Home Price Indices for February this morning. This includes prices for 20 individual cities, and two composite indices (10 cities and 20 cities). Note: This is not the quarterly national house price index.

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The first graph shows the nominal Composite 10 and Composite 20 indices (the Composite 20 was started in January 2000).

The Composite 10 index is off 31.6% from the peak, and off 2.1% in February.

The Composite 20 index is off 30.7% from the peak, and off 2.2% in February.

Prices are still falling and will probably decline for some time.

The second graph shows the Year over year change in both indices.

The Composite 10 is off 18.8% over the last year.

The Composite 20 is off 18.6% over the last year.

This is near the worst year-over-year price declines for the Composite indices since the housing bubble burst started.

I'll have more on house prices including a comparison to the stress test scenarios soon.

by Calculated Risk on 4/28/2009 12:48:00 AM

From the WSJ: Fed Pushes Citi, BofA to Increase Capital

Regulators have told Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc. that the banks may need to raise more capital ...

Executives at both banks are objecting to the preliminary findings ...

Industry analysts and investors predict that some regional banks, especially those with big portfolios of commercial real-estate loans, likely fared poorly on the stress tests. Analysts consider Regions Financial Corp., Fifth Third Bancorp and Wells Fargo & Co. to be among the leading contenders for more capital....

The article also notes that the results of the stress test could be released the week of May 4th - and not on May 4th as originally announced.

No one will believe the test results if Citi isn't required to raise more capital.

by Calculated Risk on 4/27/2009 08:49:00 PM

Professor Shiller spoke at Seattle Pacific University today. After the Q&A, reader Erik asked Shiller:

Q: Why does the FHFA (OFHEO) index show house price gains for the last two months, whereas the Case-Shiller is showing prices are still falling.

A (Erik's notes): He thought about it for a bit, and said "I haven't studied it yet", I think it is because the "OFHEO index doesn't capture foreclosures as much our index." They tend to use conventional mortgages more and conventional mortgages seem to hold out longer and as a result "there may be an upward bias to their numbers." He then paused and said, the OFHEO numbers are a bit fishy (he looked perplexed) to me because they seem to have broken the smooth trend (he gestured with his hand the trend and finished with an upward movement) and I can't quite figure out where they came from, but I suspect it is from them capturing too few foreclosures or us capturing too many (laughs) even OFHEO has said they don't know why or can't explain their own numbers from the last two months.

I'll revisit this question soon, but I prefer the Case-Shiller index.

Tim at the Seattle Bubble Blog has more: Robert Shiller at SPU—Psychology and the Housing Market

One amusing part of the afternoon session was a story Dr. Shiller related about a localized Los Angeles housing bubble in 1885. In describing the mentality in 1885 Los Angeles, he said that people thought “Los Angeles is special!” He also quoted from an article in the LA Times which was published during the aftermath of the collapse in 1886:

We Californians have learned something. And that is that home prices can’t just go up forever—they have to be supported by something. Never again will Californians make this mistake.

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For anyone interested in hearing the entire afternoon lecture, you can listen to it right here:

Also, the Case-Shiller house price index for February will be released tomorrow morning (Tuesday).