by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 04:04:00 PM

Another down day ... and that means another link to the four Grizzly Bears (not including foreign markets and the Naz)

DOW off 1.2%

S&P 500 off 1.0%, off 56.8% from the high, lowest since Sept 12, 1996.

NASDAQ off 1.9%

Click on graph for larger image in new window.

This graph is from Doug Short of dshort.com (financial planner): "Four Bad Bears".

This is the 2nd worst S&P 500 / DOW bear market in the U.S. in 100 years. At this point - 17 months into the bear market - this is the worst ever (lower than the Great Depression bear after 17 months).

Note that the Great Depression crash is based on the DOW; the three others are for the S&P 500.

The low in 1996 was 598.48.

Another 78 points or so to get back to 1995 prices.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 03:28:00 PM

From Bloomberg: AIG Told U.S. Failure May Cripple Banks, Money Funds

American International Group Inc. appealed for its fourth U.S. rescue by telling regulators the company’s collapse could cripple money-market funds, force European banks to raise capital, cause competing life insurers to fail and wipe out the taxpayers’ stake in the firm.

AIG needed immediate help from the Federal Reserve and Treasury to prevent a “catastrophic” collapse that would be worse for markets than the demise last year of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., according to a 21-page draft AIG presentation dated Feb. 26, labeled as “strictly confidential” and circulated among federal and state regulators.

Here is the “strictly confidential” document.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 03:08:00 PM

From CNBC: Roubini: US Recession Could Last Up to 36 Months. A few excerpts and video:

"We could end up ... with a 36-month recession, that could be "L-shaped stagnation, or near depression," Roubini said. He puts the chance of a severe U-shaped recession at 66.7 percent, and a less severe L-shaped recession at 33.3 percent.
...
"We are in the 15th month of a recession," said Nouriel Roubini, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business, told CNBC in a live interview. "Growth is going to be close to zero and unemployment rate well above 10 percent into next year."

Echoing a speech he made earlier in the day, Roubini said he sees "no hope for the recession ending in 2009 and will more than likely last into 2010."
...
"The market friendly view for the banks is nationalization," said Roubini. "Temporarily take over the banks, clean them up and get them working again."
...
Among his solutions: fix the housing market by breaking "every mortgage contract."

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 01:02:00 PM

Branden suggests Buffett is looking at the Merrill Lynch Corporate Master Index OAS (Option adjusted spread).

Click on table for larger image in new window.

This graph shows the OAS for the index for the last 2 years.

This is a broad index of investment grade corporate debt:

The Merrill Lynch US Corporate Index tracks the performance of US dollar denominated investment grade corporate debt publicly issued in the US domestic market.

This does show widening spreads.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 11:05:00 AM

On CNBC this morning, Warren Buffett mentioned that credit conditions are tightening again. Here is a look at a few indicators:

Click on table for larger image in new window.

The first graph shows the spread between 30 year Moody's Aaa and Baa rated bonds and the 30 year treasury.

There has been some increase in the spread the last couple of weeks, but the spread is still way below the recent peak. The spreads are still very high, even for higher rated paper, but especially for lower rated paper.

The Moody's data is from the St. Louis Fed:

Moody's tries to include bonds with remaining maturities as close as possible to 30 years. Moody's drops bonds if the remaining life falls below 20 years, if the bond is susceptible to redemption, or if the rating changes.

There has been improvement in the A2P2 spread. This has declined to 0.90 - under 1.0 for the first time since September 2008. This is far below the record (for this cycle) of 5.86 after Thanksgiving, but still above the normal spread.

This is the spread between high and low quality 30 day nonfinancial commercial paper.

Meanwhile the TED spread has increased a little, and is now at 1.09 - after being slightly below 1.0 for most of February. This is the difference between the interbank rate for three month loans and the three month Treasury. The peak was 4.63 on Oct 10th and a normal spread is around 0.5.

By these indicators the credit markets might be tightening a little, but nothing like the end of 2008.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 08:51:00 AM

Warren Buffett is on CNBC this morning ...

From the CNBC live blog, a few Buffett comments:

6:05a: Economy is "close to the worst case." Can't imagine it being much worse ... The economy "has fallen off a cliff."

6:06a: Buffett says consumers are "scared and confused." He hasn't seen consumers, or Americans in general, as fearful as now. American people "feel they don't know what's going on" so they've pulled back.
...
6:32a: Buffett says credit conditions are tightening again, but aren't as bad as they were last September.
emphasis added

Yes, all the graphs in the February summary showed the economy was cliff diving.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 12:45:00 AM

Comments now work in a pop-up although the comment indicator says "0". That should be fixed tomorrow.

Here is an open thread, a few sources for futures and the foreign markets. The futures are about neutral right now ...

Bloomberg Futures.

CBOT mini-sized Dow

CME Globex Flash Quotes

Futures from barchart.com

And the Asian markets. (off a little tonight)

And a graph of the Asian markets.

Best to all.

by Calculated Risk on 3/08/2009 09:38:00 PM

Larry Summers is interviewed by the Financial Times: Summers calls for boost to demand

“The old global imbalances agenda was more demand in China, less demand in America. Nobody thinks that is the right agenda now,” said Mr Summers.

“There’s no place that should be reducing its contribution to global demand right now. It is really the universal demand agenda.”

While the US and other western nations should return to living within their means in the medium term, everyone should raise spending sharply now.

“The right macro-economic focus for the G20 is on global demand and the world needs more global demand,” said Mr Summers.
...
“This notion that the economy is self-stabilising is usually right but it is wrong a few times a century. And this is one of those times . . . there’s a need for extraordinary public action at those times.”

The G20 finance ministers will meet next Saturday (March 14th) in the U.K. in preparation for the full G20 London summit on April 2nd. So Summers is trying to influence the agenda for next week.

by Calculated Risk on 3/08/2009 03:56:00 PM

I've written extensively about using housing as a leading indicator for recessions and recoveries. Professor Leamer of the UCLA Anderson Forecast presented a very readable paper on this topic at the 2007 Jackson Hole conference: Housing and the Business Cycle

In that paper, Leamer outlined the temporal order of a typical business cycle:

The temporal ordering of the spending weakness is: residential investment, consumer durables, consumer nondurables and consumer services before the recession, and then, once the recession officially commences, business spending on the short-lived assets, equipment and software, and, last, business spending on the long-lived assets, offices and factories. The ordering in the recovery is exactly the same.

I think this order can be simplified as follows (with employment added):

When Weakness Typically Starts

Pre-Recession	Coincident with Recession	Lags Start of Recession
Residential Investment	PCE	Investment, non-residential Structures
	Investment, Equipment & Software
	Unemployment

When I first started writing about the housing bubble - and the then coming housing bust - I pointed out that we should be very concerned because housing slumps typically lead the economy into recessions. It happened once again.

Housing usually leads the economy out of recessions too. The second table shows a simplified typical temporal order for emerging from a recession.

When Recovery Typically Starts

During Recession	Lags End of Recession	Significantly Lags End of Recession
Residential Investment	Investment, Equipment & Software	Investment, non-residential Structures
PCE	Unemployment(1)

This business cycle there are reasons that housing will not be a significant engine of recovery. It is possible - see Looking for the Sun - that new home sales and housing starts will bottom in 2009, but any recovery in housing will probably be sluggish.

That leaves Personal Consumption Expenditures (PCE) - and as households increase their savings rate to repair their balance sheets, it seems unlikely that PCE will increase significantly any time soon. So even if the economy bottoms in the 2nd half of 2009, any recovery will probably be very sluggish.

At least we know what to watch: Residential Investment (RI) and PCE. The increasingly severe slump in CRE / non-residential investment in structures will be interesting, but that is a lagging indicator for the economy.

(1) In recent recessions, unemployment significantly lagged the end of the recession. That is very likely this time too.

by Calculated Risk on 3/08/2009 02:22:00 PM

Transcript: 'This Week' Economic Debate

SHELBY: ... I think that they've got to close some big banks. They don't want to do it. We're -- we're going down the same road Japan was going down.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you're in the same place -- I had Senator Lindsey Graham on the problem a couple of weeks ago. He said we're going to have to close, nationalize some of the big banks.

SHELBY: I don't want to nationalize them. I think we need to close them...

STEPHANOPOULOS: So when you say "close," what do you mean by them?

SHELBY: Close -- close them down, get them out of business. If they're dead, they ought to be buried. We bury the small banks; we've got to bury some big ones and send a strong message to the market. And I believe that people will start investing in banks. People aren't...

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you're talking Citigroup?

SHELBY: Well, whatever. Citi's always been a problem child.
emphasis added

When the FDIC "buries a small bank" - they temporarily nationalize the bank, and then reprivatize the bank. So this just appears to be semantics problem. This is why I call the first step "pre-privatize" - to avoid the stigma of "nationalize" - then reprivatize the banks.

I'm not sure what else Shelby could mean by "bury some big ones".