by Calculated Risk on 10/30/2009 04:00:00 PM

Remember that rally yesterday? All gone and then some ...

Click on graph for larger image in new window.

From Doug Short of dshort.com (financial planner).

Note that the Great Depression crash is based on the DOW; the three others are for the S&P 500.

The S&P was off 2.8% today ...

A great interview on Tech Ticker: "Still a Very Shaky Sort of World Recovery," FT's Martin Wolf Says

Martin Wolf, chief economics commentator for The Financial Times, talks about the U.S. and world economy.

"It's very difficult to believe in a really strong consumer-led recovery in the U.S.. I think this is still a very shaky sort of world recovery."

And on the stock market:

"I think the market actually did a probably not unreasonable job - that is why I think it is not much of a bubble - of anticipating what was going to happen. And you sell on the news, isn't that the story? You buy on the hope and you sell on the news. We now know there is a reasonable recovery. By the way, in the early phases of a recovery, 3.5% annualized growth is not sensational by American standards. And remember if the U.S. is going to reduce its unemployment we will want to see annual growth - not annualized growth - of 4% to 5%."
emphasis added

And from Bloomberg: Wilbur Ross Sees ‘Huge’ Commercial Real Estate Crash (ht James, others)

Billionaire investor Wilbur L. Ross Jr., said today the U.S. is in the beginning of a “huge crash in commercial real estate.”

“All of the components of real estate value are going in the wrong direction simultaneously,” said Ross, one of nine money managers participating in a government program to remove toxic assets from bank balance sheets. “Occupancy rates are going down. Rent rates are going down and the capitalization rate -- the return that investors are demanding to buy a property -- are going up.”

I'm not sure this is the beginning of a "huge crash" - prices are already down 41% from the peak according to the Moody’s/REAL Commercial Property Price Indices!

Note: on CRE, also see MIT Professor David Geltner discussion on the CPII and the differences between price declines for healthy and distressed properties: Where we are in the aggregate: A two-year anniversary ...