by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 03:08:00 PM

From CNBC: Roubini: US Recession Could Last Up to 36 Months. A few excerpts and video:

"We could end up ... with a 36-month recession, that could be "L-shaped stagnation, or near depression," Roubini said. He puts the chance of a severe U-shaped recession at 66.7 percent, and a less severe L-shaped recession at 33.3 percent.
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"We are in the 15th month of a recession," said Nouriel Roubini, a professor at New York University's Stern School of Business, told CNBC in a live interview. "Growth is going to be close to zero and unemployment rate well above 10 percent into next year."

Echoing a speech he made earlier in the day, Roubini said he sees "no hope for the recession ending in 2009 and will more than likely last into 2010."
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"The market friendly view for the banks is nationalization," said Roubini. "Temporarily take over the banks, clean them up and get them working again."
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Among his solutions: fix the housing market by breaking "every mortgage contract."

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 01:02:00 PM

Branden suggests Buffett is looking at the Merrill Lynch Corporate Master Index OAS (Option adjusted spread).

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This graph shows the OAS for the index for the last 2 years.

This is a broad index of investment grade corporate debt:

The Merrill Lynch US Corporate Index tracks the performance of US dollar denominated investment grade corporate debt publicly issued in the US domestic market.

This does show widening spreads.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 11:05:00 AM

On CNBC this morning, Warren Buffett mentioned that credit conditions are tightening again. Here is a look at a few indicators:

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The first graph shows the spread between 30 year Moody's Aaa and Baa rated bonds and the 30 year treasury.

There has been some increase in the spread the last couple of weeks, but the spread is still way below the recent peak. The spreads are still very high, even for higher rated paper, but especially for lower rated paper.

The Moody's data is from the St. Louis Fed:

Moody's tries to include bonds with remaining maturities as close as possible to 30 years. Moody's drops bonds if the remaining life falls below 20 years, if the bond is susceptible to redemption, or if the rating changes.

There has been improvement in the A2P2 spread. This has declined to 0.90 - under 1.0 for the first time since September 2008. This is far below the record (for this cycle) of 5.86 after Thanksgiving, but still above the normal spread.

This is the spread between high and low quality 30 day nonfinancial commercial paper.

Meanwhile the TED spread has increased a little, and is now at 1.09 - after being slightly below 1.0 for most of February. This is the difference between the interbank rate for three month loans and the three month Treasury. The peak was 4.63 on Oct 10th and a normal spread is around 0.5.

By these indicators the credit markets might be tightening a little, but nothing like the end of 2008.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 08:51:00 AM

Warren Buffett is on CNBC this morning ...

From the CNBC live blog, a few Buffett comments:

6:05a: Economy is "close to the worst case." Can't imagine it being much worse ... The economy "has fallen off a cliff."

6:06a: Buffett says consumers are "scared and confused." He hasn't seen consumers, or Americans in general, as fearful as now. American people "feel they don't know what's going on" so they've pulled back.
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6:32a: Buffett says credit conditions are tightening again, but aren't as bad as they were last September.
emphasis added

Yes, all the graphs in the February summary showed the economy was cliff diving.

by Calculated Risk on 3/09/2009 12:45:00 AM

Comments now work in a pop-up although the comment indicator says "0". That should be fixed tomorrow.

Here is an open thread, a few sources for futures and the foreign markets. The futures are about neutral right now ...

Bloomberg Futures.

CBOT mini-sized Dow

CME Globex Flash Quotes

Futures from barchart.com

And the Asian markets. (off a little tonight)

And a graph of the Asian markets.

Best to all.